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#304 - 06/22/09 05:14 PM
Your own stuff
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I used to write short stories and the such but I am sure writing music is a different thing. Do we have anyone here that writes their own stuff, are you writing the notes or the lyrics or both? I can always think of a good story behind a song, but I just can not get the tune right. I guess I am not that type of writer. 
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#329 - 06/23/09 10:13 PM
Re: Your own stuff
[Re: candit]
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Registered: 05/24/09
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Writing songs is so fun- if you are a writer of prose then you should try to write the lyric and see what tune comes to you.
You could also start with an existing tune and write lyrics to that, then change the melody you used into something new and different.
I like to write both the lyrics and the music- it's like writing the songs you wish were on the radio!
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#334 - 06/24/09 10:09 AM
Re: Your own stuff
[Re: poptart]
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Or pull a Rogers and Hammerstein style pairing and find someone to write music to your lyrics! And write music that you can put some lyrics to!
It's been done all across history. Kander and Ebb is another big pairing. George and Ira Gershwin.
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#2552 - 06/07/10 04:58 PM
Re: Your own stuff
[Re: ctargia]
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Sounds like you're more in line with Nietzsche, Strauss, and Berlioz's way of thinking. They (and many others) all thought that music alone could convey a succession of events or even a full story. The idea was called Program music at the time.
The opposing side (Wagner, Immanuel Kant, et al) decided that music could only convey an emotion, but not events. They argued that melodies could only be described with adjectives, rather than being given an event that was unequivocally understood. Music may have sounded sad, intense, aggressive, lovely, mysterious, but it could never portray a story.
I guess I've made it obvious which side I fall into...this might be a good discussion in another thread, actually.
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#2553 - 06/07/10 05:02 PM
Re: Your own stuff
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A curious character in the debate, which is still going on in modern music today (including rock, pop, instrumental, neo-classical, etc. etc.), is Beethoven. Both sides claim him as a champion of their viewpoint, and even though he wrote much that was considered absolute music at the time, there are still plenty of pieces, particularly his sixth and ninth symphonies, for which he wrote out a series of events to be noted in the program upon their performance. He never stated which side his beliefs fell on.
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#2586 - 06/10/10 11:19 AM
Re: Your own stuff
[Re: ctargia]
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` Yup, it's up to the listener's mind. Music can definitely be described in more concrete terms than just adjectives alone might convey .... but we can't insist that all descriptions of a single musical piece ought to be alike ... or even similar. I just did a way quick review of the 5th. The 3rd movement opens up sounding a bit war-like, but as it progresses it gets almost comical. I didn't find anything in the rest of the 5th that would be war-like in and of itself. It's up to each individual listener whether it "portrays" creation, or destruction, or maybe just a lotta noise. http://www.lvbeethoven.com/Oeuvres/Music-Midi-Mp3-Symphonies.html `
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#2595 - 06/10/10 07:23 PM
Re: Your own stuff
[Re: ctargia]
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` I just listened again. I still feel the same. However, in trying to put myself in your shoes, I can switch perspectives and see what you mean. But I don't really *feel* it. It makes me take a guess about you, so tell me how well I'm guessing:
1. You're a trained and reasonably capable player. Maybe play some symphonic stuff.
2. You're fairly young, prolly under 30 and maybe way under 30.
3. You have wide-ranging tastes. No one would call you narrow or parochial.
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Yes this "goes somewhere". I'm guessing that even tho you're musically well trained and might even play some LVB, and some other "heavy" classical pieces, that you are not immune to the all-media-all-the-time world that envelopes many people, most especially younger people.
Thus I've wound up guessing that you've 'drunk the kool aid' that conditions you to associate very powerful, heavy symphonic passages with imminent danger or threat. It's a media-immersion thing, typical of younger folks, but not limited to younger folks. And hey, I'm just guessing, for the fun of it, why we get opposite images of the same music. It's not a mystery that really *needs* solving.
I admit, I'm taking a guess by laying a cliche onto someone I've never met. `
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#2602 - 06/11/10 09:42 AM
Re: Your own stuff
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Wow that was fairly accurate-
1. Somewhat trained fairly capable, mostly self-taught
2. 23.5 years old
3. I listen to almost anything except some rap.
The only LVB i can play is Fur Elise on Piano, and only the main part, I must admit I am a bass player by nature and better and playing complex single voices then any more then basic counterpoint.
I like alot of classical music but my knowledge is pretty bare, I do love Bach though, mostly the Fugues and technical stuff and not so much the Chorals and other similar things.
I tend to like alot of heavy stuff, new and old, i just don't like screaming, I'll here the first 30 seconds of some heavy metal band and be really into it, then the vocals come in and I kringe.
I guess I probably fit the cliche with the heavy stuff. But I do like softer things and even some pop, I like Lady Gaga for some reason. for instance with LVBs 5th I do like the 2nd movement as well, its very peaceful and beautiful, but wouldn't you know it my favorite part of the whole symphony has to be that main melody in the third movement.
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#2608 - 06/11/10 11:10 AM
Re: Your own stuff
[Re: ctargia]
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........ ...... ..... ....... ......
I guess I probably fit the cliche with the heavy stuff. But I do like softer things and even some pop, ..... ....
I wanna be clear that the cliche concerning heavy stuff does NOT suggest that heavy is your only, or your fave, material. The cliche is only about the imagery that it evokes for you when you might happen to be hearing some heavy stuff. The ominous and threatening nature of the music that sets you up for every attack by the 'demonic' shark in "Jaws" is a textbook case, quite literally, since it has become a well-worn teaching tool in "media" courses. ----------------------------------- I never actually saw "Jaws" until recently, but I can't count the number of references to it that have crossed my awareness. As I said, it is THE textbook example. So finally I saw the flik ... in a bar, on a TV, with the sound muted and no subcaptioning. Minus that fabled sound track, it's a cartoonishly overacted, underwritten sub-B movie. As a full color silent movie [with no text frames to narrate the story] it's a kinda slapsticky pantomimed parody of 'adventure dramas'. `
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#2629 - 06/15/10 04:53 PM
Re: Your own stuff
[Re: Golem]
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journeyman
Registered: 05/04/10
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Loc: New York
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Right. Even before this reply, I went back and listened to some of that 'con brio' in the 1st mvmt ... very powerful but not in a threatening manner. More like an image of creation than destruction.
I agree with you, there is more to war then just the battle, all the political and societal implications, i really wish I had written down my ideas i thought it was good at the time lol.
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#2630 - 06/15/10 04:56 PM
Re: Your own stuff
[Re: Golem]
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journeyman
Registered: 05/04/10
Posts: 94
Loc: New York
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........ ...... ..... ....... ......
I guess I probably fit the cliche with the heavy stuff. But I do like softer things and even some pop, ..... ....
I wanna be clear that the cliche concerning heavy stuff does NOT suggest that heavy is your only, or your fave, material. The cliche is only about the imagery that it evokes for you when you might happen to be hearing some heavy stuff. The ominous and threatening nature of the music that sets you up for every attack by the 'demonic' shark in "Jaws" is a textbook case, quite literally, since it has become a well-worn teaching tool in "media" courses. ----------------------------------- I never actually saw "Jaws" until recently, but I can't count the number of references to it that have crossed my awareness. As I said, it is THE textbook example. So finally I saw the flik ... in a bar, on a TV, with the sound muted and no subcaptioning. Minus that fabled sound track, it's a cartoonishly overacted, underwritten sub-B movie. As a full color silent movie [with no text frames to narrate the story] it's a kinda slapsticky pantomimed parody of 'adventure dramas'. ` as a matter of fact I had taken a music scoring class in college and yes, jaws is in the textbook, but visuals are very influential on the masses feel for certain music, alot of classical music for instance people only know it from movies and commercials.
Edited by ctargia (06/15/10 05:01 PM)
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#2680 - 06/21/10 11:03 PM
Re: Your own stuff
[Re: MattG]
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Even when he just wrote..."clouds,"hahaha... I think his work with Mallarme was the best. "Prelude to the Afternoon of a Faun" will always have a special place in my ears.
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