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#3398 - 08/09/10 10:28 AM
Re: Round or Flats?
[Re: ctargia]
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Oh .. you risk having someone throw a tactical nuclear weapon at your car when you ask questions like these!  I started out when flats were all that was available, and they were heavy -- .55 through .110. When Rotosound Swing bass came out, I switched to them and used them exclusively for almost 15 years. Then I stopped playing for awhile, and when I started again, I didn't like the way Rotos sounded (no pun intended). So I tried almost every other brand of rounds before I settled on Lakland Nickel Rounds, which are made by GHS. I don't like stainless because they're just too clanky. However, I heard so many guys saying that TI Jazz Flats were great that I bought a set, and I really love them. They have top end, aren't dead, and sound absolutely even across the board. And they record great. I recorded with set of two-year-ld TIs and the engineer called after the session to find out what bass I used because it sounded so great (Lakland 55-94). I think ShackMAn will agfgee with me here --I gave him an old set of TIs that he liked, and I let him borrow my Lakland with TIs. Had to chase him across the state line to get it back :0 (not really). I've been getting strings to try from different manufacturers lately and I have to say that I like DR Coated Rounds (the colored ones),and I', currently using Rotosound Tru Bass -- nickel on steel -- on my Lakland. I like these -- they don't lose punch on the high notes like some other rounds. What I try to do is keep one bass strung with TIs for recording of Motown-like things -- usually my Lakland. I have Dingwall stainless on my Combustion for zing. I also like D'Addario Chromes -- flatwounds that have a nice clear tone. They work very well on a Jazz bass.
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#3399 - 08/09/10 10:55 AM
Re: Round or Flats?
[Re: ctargia]
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Registered: 12/01/09
Posts: 359
Loc: Troy NY USA
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` OK it says if you vote "other" then you should explain "other". I'll skip over the idea that I'd like an explanation myself ... of why there's a possible catagory outside flat, round, and 1/2 round [like 15/32 round would be "other" ?].
So I voted "other" cuz my faves are TIJFs, TI Acousticores, and LaBella 760N [black nylon].
I could just say I voted "other" cuz my faves are not limited to either flat or RW or 1/2RW, but that is not my reason. If only just one of those three were my absolutely singular fave I'd still vote "other" ... cuz each is unique in its qualities and not especially related to any other strings that share in its nominal build type ... of being RW or flat.
I guess my "other" is that I just dig a lotta nylon or textile content, and it means more to me than the shape of the outer windings.
------------------------------------- IOW, I'd need the TI Acousticores no matter whether their outer windings were ribbon or wire. LaBella nylon flats are not 100% unique, as there are nylon flats from Roto and Status but again the ribbon or wire shape is not my reason. I once had a set of GHS nylon RWs, kinda like the LaBellas/Rotos/Status except that the outer wrap is wire-shaped, instead of flat ribbon. Their voice is about the same as the nylon flats.
I also like the weird Fender "nylon coated" RWs, altho they have limited applications. Their voice is very different from the other nylon wound strings ... and their leader is so thick that they are really meant only for large "Fender-type" tuning pegs.
TI's Jazz Flats are special in having textile fiber layers between their wrap layers. TI also makes a RW version of that, but in this case I guess I have shown a preference for flats. OTOH, if TI Jazz were only available in the RW version, I'd choose TI Jazz RWs over any typical [all-metal] flats ... just as I've done with the Acousticores, which are available only as RW.
In case somebody doesn't know about TI's Acousticores ... they are non-ferrous and will play only via acoustic PU's. They have nylon cores and brass windings.
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Now that you've read all of that ... I expect you'll think twice before you include "other" and "explain" in your next poll :-) `
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#3405 - 08/09/10 12:50 PM
Re: Round or Flats?
[Re: Golem]
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Registered: 05/04/10
Posts: 94
Loc: New York
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` Now that you've read all of that ... I expect you'll think twice before you include "other" and "explain" in your next poll :-) ` I think that I will think as much as I thought thinking thoughts...
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#3407 - 08/09/10 01:00 PM
Re: Round or Flats?
[Re: ctargia]
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Registered: 11/25/09
Posts: 691
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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Speaking of nylon tape, I have a set of Rotosaound Tru Bass nylons and the gauges are just plain weird -- .65, .75, .100, .115. The .65 seems too heavy for the .75, or maybe the .75 isn't heavy enough for the .65. Odd gaps. I'm used to .45, ..65. .80, .105 or thereabouts.
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#3421 - 08/09/10 08:52 PM
Re: Round or Flats?
[Re: Dave Molter]
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journeyman
Registered: 05/04/10
Posts: 94
Loc: New York
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Speaking of nylon tape, I have a set of Rotosaound Tru Bass nylons and the gauges are just plain weird -- .65, .75, .100, .115. The .65 seems too heavy for the .75, or maybe the .75 isn't heavy enough for the .65. Odd gaps. I'm used to .45, ..65. .80, .105 or thereabouts. that's almost like a gauges for BEAD tuning, only .115 is kinda light for a B
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#3429 - 08/10/10 10:41 AM
Re: Round or Flats?
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Registered: 12/01/09
Posts: 359
Loc: Troy NY USA
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` Speaking of nylon tape, I have a set of Rotosaound Tru Bass nylons and the gauges are just plain weird -- .65, .75, .100, .115. The .65 seems too heavy for the .75, or maybe the .75 isn't heavy enough for the .65. Odd gaps. I'm used to .45, ..65. .80, .105 or thereabouts. We don't know the core gauges and [looking at the package right now] the box just has a pic of Ant Whistle where the tension listings ought to be ... Nylon has much lower mass than metal, so comparing the diameters of nylon strings to metal strings is very misleading. Since the length is standardized, pitch is a function of mass and tension. Without knowing the core gauges, we can't even estimate tension. ------------------------------------- Slightly off the point, I prefer the LaBellas over the Rotos cuz Rotos seem less flexible, more like playing flexible rods but not really strings. Playing olde skool finger style I get slappity "knocking" noises from Rotos that don't occur with LaBellas. And the LaBellas hum, where the Rotos whine. I have Rotos on some 5-strings. I couldn't find LaBella 5's locally and I was in a hurry. Since I'm finding 5-strings more and more unnecessary, I haven't bothered to fix that ... plus I can *use* the "knockity-knockity" sound if I ever join a rockabilly outfit ;-) `
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#3430 - 08/10/10 10:49 AM
Re: Round or Flats?
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Registered: 03/14/09
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Loc: Pittsburgh Area
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Knockity-Knockity is probably the best way I've ever heard to describe rockabilly bass playing. Brilliant Golem.
And I'm all about the jazz flats now. Those and stainless steel roundwounds, except I'm not using Rotos anymore. They're custom made for me by a guy in Pittsburgh named Mike Pellow, who is also my bass technician for anything that goes beyond my ability (outside of a port & polish, or light bridge/neck adjustments, it's everything). They're only $10 for a 4-string set and $15 for a 5-string set. I think he makes guitar strings as well, but I don't remember...
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#3433 - 08/10/10 12:12 PM
Re: Round or Flats?
[Re: Golem]
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Registered: 11/25/09
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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The worst part of the Roto nylons is that to get them to work on my OLP Music Man copy, I'd have to file the nut.
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